UPDATE SEPT. 18 - Draft 2

  • The school board received Draft 2 of the 2019-20 Student Enrollment Proposal on Tuesday, Sept. 18.


    Look up your address to see your proposed assignment in Draft 2 of the proposal. 


    Here are the main changes recommended in Draft 2:

    • The following neighborhoods would remain based at Cedar Fork Elementary and West Cary Middle instead of being assigned to Parkside Elementary and Alston Ridge Middle School:
    • Families in the Parkside Elementary base attendance area would have the option to apply to Pleasant Grove Elementary as a traditional calendar application school, as well as Powell Magnet Elementary. Under this proposal, Pleasant Grove calendar application students would not receive district transportation while Powell students would. SHARE YOUR FEEDBACK
    • A portion of the Poe Elementary base would be assigned to the new Southeast Raleigh Elementary. SHARE YOUR FEEDBACK
    • The Draft 1 proposal for all students in the Southeast Raleigh Elementary base attendance area to be assigned to Centennial Middle and Southeast Raleigh High will be phased in, instead of happening immediately. SHARE YOUR FEEDBACK
    • A downtown Raleigh area assigned to Turner Creek Elementary would be assigned to Conn Elementary, Centennial Middle and Southeast Raleigh High beginning 2019-20. Draft 1 had recommended making this change in 2020-21. SHARE YOUR FEEDBACK

    Other considerations

    We have received a good deal of feedback online regarding some of the proposed changes.


    We are not recommending any additional changes at this time, but our staff is continuing to review information regarding proposed assignments from Davis Drive Middle to East Cary Middle and from Mills Park Elementary and Middle to Carpenter Elementary and Alston Ridge Middle (Cameron Pond neighborhood.)


    Today’s presentation contains staff responses to the proposed changes that have prompted the most feedback. 


    What happens next?

    Parents can continue to share their feedback on this forum.


    We also have scheduled four public meetings where parents will have an opportunity to learn more information and share feedback in person.


    Please note that each of these meetings will have a specific topic focus. Please attend the meeting regarding the proposal that applies to you. If you attend a meeting focused on a topic that does not affect you, there will be student assignment staff available to help answer your questions.

    • Sept. 24 - Cary High School, 638 Walnut St., Cary - TOPIC: Proposed assignments related to East Cary and West Cary Middle schools, as well as proposed calendar application school changes.
    • Sept. 26 - Wakefield Middle School, 2300 Wakefield Pines Drive, Raleigh - TOPIC: Proposed assignments to relieve overcrowding at Heritage High School.
    • Oct. 3 - Panther Creek High School - 6770 McCrimmon Parkway, Cary - TOPIC: Proposed assignments related to Alston Ridge Middle School and Parkside Elementary School.
    • Oct. 1 - Apex High School (Green Level campus) - 7600 Roberts Road, Cary - TOPIC: The opening of the new Green Level High School. Information will be presented about likely academic and extracurricular offerings in the first years of the school.

    Draft 3 will be presented to the board on Oct. 16, and the board will then begin working toward a final plan. A vote is expected on Nov. 20. View full timeline.

     

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Draft 1 of the 2019-20 Student Enrollment Proposal was released on Aug. 21.

This is the beginning of a community discussion about the best ways to fill new schools opening in 2019 and to make the best use of existing school facilities. We are committed to ensuring that every child in Wake County attends an excellent school, no matter where they live.

We strive for a collaborative and transparent process. On this forum, we encourage you to find the topic thread that applies to you, then ask questions and provide feedback. School district staff and board members monitor this site regularly.

We will be able to respond directly to questions of process or clarification. We will answer more detailed questions in a frequently asked questions document.

Board members indicated support for a number of changes during discussions yesterday. Here is a summary. Please note that the address look-up does not yet reflect these changes. The board will have one more discussion on Nov. 20 and then vote on a final plan.

  • Students who live in the Parkside Elementary base attendance area and who currently attend Hortons Creek Elementary, Green Hope Elementary or Weatherstone Elementary would be eligible to grandfather and stay at their current school through the exit grade as transfer students.
  • Students assigned to Parkside Elementary would be able to apply to attend Pleasant Grove Elementary as a traditional calendar application student. They would be eligible for neighborhood bus transportation.
  • Students assigned to Parkside Elementary can apply to attend Powell Elementary, Ligon Middle as one of their magnet school options. They would be eligible for express bus transportation.
  • The MacArthur Park area would remain at Green Hope High School.
  • Rising 7th and 8th graders reassigned from an existing school to an existing school (i.e. Reedy Creek Middle to East Cary Middle) would be eligible to grandfather and stay through the exit grade, as would any rising 6th grade siblings.
  • Rising 8th graders assigned to Alston Ridge Middle would be eligible to grandfather. Their 7th grade siblings could also grandfather AND stay through the exit grade. Their sixth grade siblings would still only be allowed to stay for one year.
  • Students affected by calendar application school changes would be eligible to grandfather and stay at their current school through the exit grade.
    Swift Creek Elementary and Yates Mill Elementary base families will now have one year-round application school for their address (Adams Elem. or Oak Grove Elem.) The choice will depend on where they live.
  • Dillard Drive Middle base families will be able to apply to Lufkin Road Middle or North Garner Middle (depending on their address).
  • West Cary Middle base families will be able to apply to Salem Middle or Alston Ridge Middle (depending on their address).
  • Staff is bringing a separate presentation to the Nov. 20th work session to provide information to the Board regarding the southern area of the Mills Park Middle base area and the possible use of satellite assignment areas.
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Andrea Short at November 08, 2018 at 5:15pm EST

A couple of questions/points:

(1) Can you explain how these two proposals work together? •Rising 8th graders assigned to Alston Ridge Middle would be eligible to grandfather. Their 7th grade siblings could also grandfather AND stay through the exit grade. Their sixth grade siblings would still only be allowed to stay for one year. •Students affected by calendar application school changes would be eligible to grandfather and stay at their current school through the exit grade.

For example, Carpenter Village is currently assigned to DDMS (traditional) as our base, with ECMS as a calendar application school. The plan assigns us to ARMS (proposed to be YR), with WCMS as a calendar application school. Does the rule about ARMS grandfathering trump the other grandfathering principles (which are more generous)?

Also, how does this work for families who are being moved from one calendar to another, when their current base (not calendar application school) is no longer even a calendar application school?

This could be resolved for Carpenter Village by making DDMS our calendar application school under the new plan. Many residents of our neighborhood have been asking for this on these forums, and several neighbors spoke at last night's meeting. Even so, it seems the message is not getting through that CV wants to maintain DDMS as its traditional calendar option middle school. Please consider this change as well.

(2) With the desire for Cameron Pond families to stay at Mills Park schools that I have concern about Carpenter Elementary, where two of my children attend. We are losing many families to reassignment to ARES or Parkside. If those families aren't replaced, what happens to the projections of enrollment at Carpenter? Is there any consideration to making Carpenter a traditional-calendar school, which would likely stem the tide of requests to transfer out of Carpenter in favor of traditional-calendar schools (requests which are almost never granted)?

(3) I continue to be troubled by the lack of willingness to examine Mills Park's calendar. It seems clear to me as an observer that although the families at Mills Park "prefer" traditional, so do most other families in western Wake County. Has the Board or staff ever surveyed families to see if they would prefer to be moved to a different school OR be able to stay at Mills Park under a YR calendar? It would be helpful to have that data prior to the announcement of an assignment plan that essentially picks "winners" and "losers". Furthermore, if Mills Park's calendar were changed, it would provide some much-needed stability even beyond those schools, to those of us who had no input in that decision and no real opportunity for our children to attend traditional calendar schools at all.

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Matt Dees admin at November 08, 2018 at 7:48pm EST

It applies to families affected by the changes indicated on pages 9-16 here.

https://www.wcpss.net/cms/lib/NC01911451/Centricity/Domain/6073/Nov%207%20work%20session%20Draft%203%20discussion.pdf

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Matt Dees admin at November 08, 2018 at 6:05pm EST

"For example, Carpenter Village is currently assigned to DDMS (traditional) as our base, with ECMS as a calendar application school. The plan assigns us to ARMS (proposed to be YR), with WCMS as a calendar application school. Does the rule about ARMS grandfathering trump the other grandfathering principles (which are more generous)?" It's not a matter of trump. It's two different circumstances. Those affected by calendar application changes refers to those currently attending a calendar application school that is being removed as an option for their area. The other refers to those who are being assigned to the new middle school. Hope that makes sense.

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Andrea Short at November 08, 2018 at 6:52pm EST

Hi Matt, Thanks for the response. What about a student that met both circumstances (assigned to ARMS AND losing a calendar application option)? Are there any students in this situation? Which rule would apply to those students?

Either way, I'm not sure I understand the fairness of this proposal anyway. It treats students who have received calendar transfers more favorably than those whose BASE calendar is changing as a result of reassignment to ARMS. So WCPSS is telling us that not only are we being removed from our base school (that's not even being offered currently as a calendar option) to a school on a different calendar but that our kids can't grandfather when they could grandfather IF they'd been calendar transfer students whose calendar option was changing. This seems to have the effect of penalizing our kids for having actually attended our base school.

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Matt Dees admin at November 08, 2018 at 7:57pm EST

This is a relatively small number of students, which why it is feasible to offer them grandfathering, especially as many of these changes are to improve transportation efficiency. (Grandfathered students don't receive transportation, as you probably know.) The decisions are made based on what board members feel we can accommodate and maintain healthy school populations at all schools. No one is trying to "penalize" any student or family.

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Sue Creaser at November 09, 2018 at 11:42am EST

Hi Matt, I see the update "The MacArthur Park area would remain at Green Hope High School." We are in the Bond Pointe neighborhood directly across the street and we have the same assignments currently. Does this update include our neighborhood as well? We are a smaller neighborhood but just as concerned and are hoping this is the case, thank you!

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Allieon Del at November 12, 2018 at 7:40pm EST

This new grandfathering for calendar option students is amazing. Please pass this portion. We want to stay at Oak Grove

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Mr SA at November 13, 2018 at 11:34am EST

Hi Matt. On the Draft 3 "WCPSS Address Lookup" it states "The schools listed here for Draft 3 do not reflect changes from the November 7 Board of Education meeting. Please check back for updates." What about the changes that were made and voted on in the work session on October 30th? Why have those changes not been reflected when looking up address assignments? Specifically, it was voted in that meeting that a neighborhood that was being reassigned to Apex HS would now remain at Green Hope High School. When will this cancelled reassignment be reflected in the address lookup? Thanks!

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Vishnu Aljapur at November 13, 2018 at 12:54pm EST

""""Students who live in the Parkside Elementary base attendance area and who currently attend Hortons Creek Elementary, Green Hope Elementary or Weatherstone Elementary would be eligible to grandfather and stay at their current school through the exit grade as transfer students.""

Kids who currently attend Cedar Fork Creek Elementary School cannot grand father in the similar way like other affected schools until their exit grade? Can you kindly help us understand why can't cedar fork also be in the same boat. Thanks Vishnu

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Vijay Shenoy at November 15, 2018 at 10:54pm EST

Vishnu, that is a very good question.... I too am wondering why are Cedar Fork Elementary students singled out from being grandfathered.

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Susan Nagorski at November 13, 2018 at 3:55pm EST

Hi, If our base school is now Carpenter Elementary (where my kids go now), and will be reassigned to Parkside Elementary, will I have the option to apply for them (they are in K and 3rd) to be grandfathered into Carpenter? There is some confusion on this topic.

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Vijay Shenoy at November 15, 2018 at 11:09pm EST

Cedar Fork Students need to be grandfathered just like students from Hortons Creek Elementary, Green Hope Elementary or Weatherstone Elementary. From the perspective of families of students attending Cedar Fork elementary there has been not attempt made to provide relief to us from Draft 1 to Draft 3. Since we have no representation from District 7 on the WCPSS board, I strongly suggest the WCPSS board to allow us to grandfather our kids currently attending Cedar Fork elementary, or defer the transfer of our kids from Cedar Fork Elementary (traditional) to Parkside Elementary (year round) till next fall. In that time we will have got to know our district 7 representative on the WCPSS board and convince them to get us a better deal from someone who truly represents our interests and community.

Grand Father Cedar Fork Students OR Defer moving Cedar Fork kids to Parkside till we get proper representation on the WCPSS Board.

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